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>> welcome back to the budget and finance committee for june 26, 2013. coming off recess beginning with items 6 and 7. can we speak mr. clerk two items 4 and 5. items 4 and 5 are no longer under the jurisdiction of the budget finance committee. >> supervisor farrell: thank you for that clarification. continuing for budget items up first we have the police department. >> good morning supervisors. as far as the recommended budget cuts from the budget analyst, the original budget recommended cuts were 2.643
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million we would agree with 1.46 million. i cannot agree with the cost for the housing authority; the officers at work housing authority it offers likability to keep those area safest. recommended in year two we agreed to 716,195 recommended reductions but can't agree to the 1 million for the officers. >> supervisor farrell: okay, thank you chief any questions for the chief? whether we go to the revised report. >> mr. rose: recommendations are on page 16, and in 13-14 result is- i'm on the wrong
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page excuse me - page 24. the recommended reductions total 1 796,016 and 1, 842,643 and in 14-15 the total recommended reductions are 1,016,195. my understanding is, if i understand with chief is stating, he agrees with the recommendations except for on page 26 of our rerport the
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1,016,195 regarding the san francisco housing authority, item under contention is on page 26. >> supervisor farrell: to be clear it was a 2.6 million number inclusive of the million dollar housing authority, now whittled down to 1.8 million, inclusive of the housing authority. >> mr. rose: actually really unencumbered closeouts it's a -0 if you would subtract it would be about 800,000 left. similarly in 14-15 we're talking about 1,016, 195, but of that amount -- excuse me,
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that would be entirely agreed-upon, the 14-15 amount, nothing there about the housing authority. >> supervisor farrell: so we're talking about purely fiscal year 13-14 this agreement at this point in time and nothing to do with 14-15. >> except that they zeroed out 14-15 and we want it to remain for both years. >> mr. rose: we are undertook the occasion that ms. howard has clarified that the unencumbered expenditures have been taken so withdraw the recommendation. page 27 of the report. >> supervisor farrell: there seems to be a discrepancy between you commented there is not agreement regarding the second fiscal year we are
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talking about here and i think the chief is articulate in something different. i want to be clear. >> mr. rose: oh, excuse me. it's the other way around. i'm sorry mr. chairman that was my mistake. the chief is correct on that. >> supervisor farrell: okay so it is that 1,016,195, if we were to reject the recommendation then there would be a zero dollar reduction in year two. >> mr. rose: that is correct. >> supervisor farrell: okay. colleagues? questions? supervisor mar. >> supervisor mar: if you could explain the need for that 1 million to better police the housing authority buildings, if you could explain and justify that again?
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>> essentially this is the community policing model, the same officers, a desired assignment, 32 officers plus supervision. the overtime makes it is sought after assignment where i can have complete likability and officer's schedules. case in point on tuesday there was a double shooting that resulted in homicide at west point/middle point. the first responders were these 32 officers, the vehicle was identified, location was isolated, sks assault rifle and a glock pistol with an extended magazine, those were recovered by the officers in the two suspects; the case was made and the 14 yeard old and 19 -year-old responsible for the homicide were arrested.
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since the shooting there were other problems that could potentially present themselves. we have the flexibility to move these offices around. they are in the public housing, working with the neighborhood, allows for connectivity. since 2004 there has been a 22% reduction in calls; they're not junior officers, they're not just going in and out. >> and again the commitment from the police department is in excess of 6 million dollar that this other million-dollar matches. >> from your other testimony it allows you flexibility to have 12 hour shifts to deploy more
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strategically? >> in a static deployment it would be a 12 hour shift. in this case we could double up or ask the authors to work a 14-hour day or bring officers on that day off. the officers seek out this assignment. >> and without this extra million dollars, can you explain that would hamper or hinder your efforts? >> they would work a fixed 10 hours just like the other officers in patrol in any movement of the shifts or days would be in an emergency situation unless that overtime would have to come from the existing 9.4, 9.6 depending on
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the mta that we would use. and will use that this weekend. >> that is helpful but. this is maybe more of a general request. i know that since the zone strategy and incidents like the t-line violence a few years ago it shifted staffing to some key stations that have more crime or there is more of the need. i'm wondering given some of the concerns about tenderloin advocate fund, public safety, you can provide staffing levels for each of the stations. if it is sensitive information that can't go out to the public could you provide that to our office so that we know that staffing levels over the past three years have been evened out so that each of the stations has adequate staffing.
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>> worst-case scenario it is down 15 percent staffing. -- as was the case of any housing area where they had a housing complement. i believe tenderloin received more officers because they are and fto station that they are now down 7%. the traffic companies have been bumped up back to normal because of the training involved and with the pedestrian safety priorities here in the city as well. >> supervisor mar: and i know you have to deploy to where you will strategically need more officers. my concern is that you have adequate staff so that is why i have a request of that information. also the new academy will help with increasing staffing levels and i want to ensure that the
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stations are adequately supported even if you have to strategically deploys you need to. >> i want to assure you that the smaller houses, places that enjoy lower crime levels, when they got to 15% down, nobody was allowed to take personnel off the stations. the pain was shared equally. the difference is that we have certain specialized units that we move around as we anticipate or experience concerns with regards to violent crime and those officers are not routinely deployed to the areas that don't experience those levels of spikes in violent crime. >> supervisor mar: thank you for providing that information and my staff wold like to follow-up with your staff. >> supervisor farrell: do we
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want to go to the budget analyst office? >> -- i do have to reiterate the recommendation for reducing the overtime for the housing authority detail based on the audit finding and we are not recommending -- to undermine in any way the community policing program but we see no evidence that the two hours of overtime in any way enhances the program rather than to schedule 10 hour shift which they are already providing. we already see a great deal of efficiency in their staffing; they have an overlap shift on wednesday when they have double playe staffing and every wednesday with no indication that they need double the police force and housing authority whether there is an improvement in the community leasing program by overlapping and double staffing every wednesday. this overtime, i know there is
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flexibility in the regular staffing. if they need to switch shifts around, they have a flex ability, already knew they need to change the regular officers assignment they have the flexibility. they showed no need for the overtime and it seems to me the cost the city could better use elsewhere. >> having been pretty much in every staffing committee that the police department has had over 32 years i have to respectfully this agree with ms. campbell. wednesdays is also a day when we scheduled things like this summer it will be midnight asked about. we take full advantage of the fact that we have additional housing officers on those days and the officers well into the evening utilizing some of the overtime to do just that, to try to engage folks that would otherwise be engaged in less productive activity. >> supervisor breed: from a
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community perspective, i didn't really understand the details of exactly why one point the san francisco housing authority was paying this additional fee in order to have the same support in terms of what i believe everyone else should have in the city. i was concerned also that because initially this money was coming from public housing that with the challenges that we will be facing in the next couple of years we need to save every dollar which is why i think it is appropriate for the city to reserve this particular expense. and this expense being reserved by the city definitely helps
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alleviate the burden of public housing responsibility with this expense. one of the challenges -- one of the frustrations, i know that of course there is a poa and they do protect their members and there are certain things that they do with the understanding of the ability to deploy officers in a way that effectively serves our public housing residents. it definitely has had a positive impact over the years. i wasn't completely as i said -- and i don't necessarily think the chief has mentioned the fact that with the way that shifts work and i don't know if i'm starting this appropriately, it is not always easy to get the same officers in the same locations
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consistently during regular times and also for event times. i never understood why one of our officers would always call me, check in and say i am going to be there whereas before we do not have that but i thought they were helping us out and doing us a favor but i realize that a lot of it has to do with the flexibility and the ability to again move people around in various kinds of situations and i know that i enjoy that relationship. i don't want to do anything to jeopardize that relationship. i still continue to have challenges fortunately not as bad as it has been in the past. i know that has a lot to do the combinations of things which includes the department but also includes a lot of the community-based organizations working together and sadly it includes the loss of life, from
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jail as well as some people who are not here with us any longer. i don't want us to go backward. i understand we have a fiscal responsibility to be responsible about the budget overall. there are better ways to do things. and i wish there was a better way to change what is negotiated between the poa and the city in order to make this a better, more financially -- more financial cost savings to the city but unfortunately i don't have direct access to negotiate those deals which is why i'm going to be supporting the chief's recommendation. i need these officers. i need their support.
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i need their enthusiasm in my district. i need a consistency. more importantly, and a more recent example -- not recent but a couple of years ago -- i remember because of our developed relationship with a lot of our housing authority cops, there was a time when one of our young people had a shotgun; he was being chased by someone, a police officer who didn't actually know him and definitely would have been shot at the other police officer who eventually joined him, had he not stop him, and hold up for a minute. let me deal with it. within the department as a whole regardless of additional revenues or not to be that kind of department. i know that chief -- has been that kind of police officer his
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entire career. i know he has a desired to try to make sure that new officers, current officers, bring that same level of commitment to the people of san francisco. we definitely need to do more work around making sure that there is more of a connection, more of a community policing model. our entire city, we need to work on that. this is really challenging decision for me because i think about of course ways to utilize these resources. i definitely don't want to change what we have in our district; unfortunately i believe that if we do not move the funds forward that it will have an
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impact on district 5 for certain. my biggest concern is the visitation valley and baby hunter's point, in those areas where they are needed more. that is what i wanted to say, and i will be supporting the chief's recommendation. >> supervisor farrell: supervisor avalos. >> supervisor avalos: i will be voting with the budget analyst recommendations. i do understand with chief is saying but i do believe the policy is how to do our deployment in housing authority and the most cost effective way. i do believe that more of what is convenient politically, the labor practices are getting in the way of what could be a much more efficient way of doing deployment. so i'm going to do a roll call vote on the recommendation. >> supervisor farrell:
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colleagues, any other questions or comments? supervisor breed, do you want to make a motion to accept the budget analyst's accommodations except a little bit north of 1 million dollars for the housing autority. what we have a motion to accept the budget and its recommendations except for the housing authority recommendations, a year one reduction of about 774,421. could i have a motion to accept that recommendation from the budget analyst? do we do that without opposition? so moved. (gavel) and then do you want to make a motion to accept -- >> supervisor avalos: i will like to make a motion to accept the budget analyst's
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recommendation on the overtime, suspending the seven cisco housing authority, 116,195-- excuse me, 1,116,195. >> supervisor farrell: mr. clerk could we have a roll call. >> supervisor avalos: aye. >> supervisor breed: -- (off mic) breed no. >> supervisor wiener: no. >> supervisor farrell: no. the motion fails. (gavel) thank you chief.
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>> supervisor farrell: colleagues -- well chief, any other questions around the police department's budget at this time. we'll continue to work on the budget over the next 24-48 hours. >> supervisor avalos: i would like to report on the possible savings that we might have if we were to have small delays in county classes, and if mr. rosenfeld could present those findings? >> supervisors we provided the committee members a one-page summary of the committees request, what the cost savings would be on each of the public safety departments with delays. the police department is at the bottom of this page. the police department has three
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proposed classes each year. if you were to delay each one of those classes by one month over the two-year period that would result in a 1.27 million dollars savings in year one, and 1.3 million-dollar 17 in year 2. the 1.3 million in year one is three times that. we also provided analysis of the fire department and the sheriff's office. in both cases over the two-year period we find that the cost in overtime increases the results in delays, actually exceeds the cost savings.
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overtime costs will exceed the cost saved by having a later hire. we can see those numbers at the top of the page. i'll be happy to answer western you might have. >> supervisor avalos: we would have an increase for the fire department if we were to do that? >> that's correct. delaying their fire department's hiring actually results in higher cost. because the staff is not available to staff apparatus up until a month later and that results in more overtime costs. >> supervisor avalos: the committee is not ready to make a determination. perhaps we could have an option to consider before we do a final gavel down, tomorrow or the next day. >> supervisor farrell: chief
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you want to comment? >> sure. you look at the screen these are the proposals that i was asked of the board of supervisors and the mayor's office to come up with a plan to get a department up to the charter mandated in 1971. this body unanimously supported the least expensive plan that would take the longest to take the full staffing. as you can see right now we are in june of 13, we are at the lowest staffing in as many years as i can ever remember. any delay in hiring is a delay in getting the officers that pretty much every member of the board asks me for; the foot-beat officers, the bicycle officers. we are doing well fighting crime in san francisco but i would remind you that we already adopted the least expensive, longest plan, six-year plan; we are not even
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started into the second year in the way we got in the six was by delaying classes. that was usually when we were at high water staffing where it seemed okay to delay classes. i believe that would be unprecedented to delay classes when at a low. i would put that out for consideration. >> supervisor avalos: i appreciate that analysis. i do believe that yes, i have called asking for beat officers, i call my captain, making sure to establish beat officer south of geneva, really critical that it happens. is important that we increase public safety as well in conjunction with the police department and those of things that we have for consideration as well, some of the priorities that we want to put forward in the budget towards that. youth employment, afterschool
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programs, childcare programs, things that make a huge contribution to overall public safety in san francisco; these are the trade-offs that we have. it does present a longer-term plan even if it is just a month on in this case for getting the deployment that we have overall in the police department. >> i don't dispute that partnerships are critical but again cops do count. we are low; we anticipate another 125, which far exceeds another attrition. you are sort of answering your own question when you call me for police officers, if there is a delay my answer is constantly " they're coming." this will be, it'll be longer. >> supervisor avalos: we are approving three classes. we want to help as much as we can. i do appreciate the dilemma we are in. >> supervisor breed: i can't necessarily -- i appreciate
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your bringing this forward supervisor avalos, i cannot speak to the sheriff's the proper because i don't know whether challenges are but the fire department in particular in one year i think we had definitely over 80 people retire. it is continuously climbing. over a ten-year period we actually had no classes for the fire department. currently we are experiencing mandatory overtime; and institutional knowledge of the department is walking out the door. it is a similar case with the police department as it relates to that institutional knowledge. but i do think that the time is of the essence to move these classes forward as quickly as possible because when they are finished in the academy there is still a learning process; there is still time that they need to adjust and learn from some of the other officers who
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are out on the street. whey have to learn the community; they have to know what they're doing. i don't think that -- i would prefer to dip into our reserves to deal with anybody challenges rather than mess around with the delay in our fire and police departments because of the challenges that i know personally, firsthand, from the fire department, from a former fire commissioner, with this mandatory overtime situation which is completely out of control and secondly from the issues around public safety that i experienced directly in our district. and i have been there and situations where we have had -- it took a while to get a sufficient number of officers at the scene that could be really ugly in terms of a riot.
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